Everybody voted "yes," except for Gellin, who abstained, and explained his abstention this way:
"Let me just say that this is a conditional yes, and I’ll explain that, but “conditional yes” wasn’t an option. This was a case study of perseverance by the company, and there’s nothing easy about vaccines, and the vaccine race that’s inspired…
Everybody voted "yes," except for Gellin, who abstained, and explained his abstention this way:
"Let me just say that this is a conditional yes, and I’ll explain that, but “conditional yes” wasn’t an option. This was a case study of perseverance by the company, and there’s nothing easy about vaccines, and the vaccine race that’s inspired by COVID that was supported by Warp Speed (and I had nothing to do with that) has brought us the vaccines that we have, and which have had an impact, and that’s impressive. [global equity, etc.] The data we’ve heard today has been impressive, and support the original vision for this vaccine from the beginning [stuff about ease of storage and transport and the magical adjuvant]. Highlighting Dr. Offit’s intervention, that we need to understand the mechanism here, because this infection, and the vaccines against it, are going to be with us for the foreseeable future. [based on totality] We can clearly say that it was [effective], but we don’t know whether that attribute continues to be relevant today. Dr. Levy [cross-protecting immunity] are encouraging, but [don’t know what’s going to happen in the future]. In the flu world, we’re always [troubled] by mis-match. […] A lot of things have been learned, that we haven’t heard about.
"I want to be clear that I’m not going against the vaccine. As this is a real product that, if authorized, will be used, it will be important to evaluate whatever data is available [that shows its performance]. Recognizing that we’re an advisory committee, and we’re advising FDA, and having heard from Dr. Marks that FDA will continue to work with the company on manufacturing issues […] it’s my expectation that FDA will review the totality of data that will be available to them, to inform their [decision on EUA]."
I don't know that Offit is on Team Apocalypse the way, say, Fauci is. I do think he will never oppose a vaccine; he is true believer in the concept, and of course it's also how he earns his living. He also knows that it doesn't matter what the committee says or votes or thinks anymore, at least about corona. I think he is beginning to recognize that the mRNA products are dangerous in ways he hadn't considered in Dec. 2020, which is why he has made the comments publicly that he has (like telling the press that he told his own son not to get a third shot).
People have different motivations for doing things that end up harming other people, and I think Offit's motivations are very different from those of Marks and those of Fauci.
I'm grateful to have that long convoluted quote from Gellin all typed up. I tried to follow it at the time and it didn't make sense to me. Seeing it now in black and white, he's really saying a lot between the lines. But the message between the lines points towards NO, not yes. So these people are nuts.
I think Offit is completely insane. He's Nero painting pictures while Rome burns. He's always Lucy with the football -- saying something reasonable and then pulling the football away at the last moment to vote Yes. I think his kink is that he gets off on dashing the hopes of sane people. Offit knows he's going down in history as worse than the bloodletters and he absolutely does not care. He seems to delight in his ignominy.
I think Meissner is an even worse Lucy, but I hear you. What they say during the meeting has nothing to do with how they vote.
And I think Gellin was reading a statement he had prepared. It came off that way, which makes it all the nuttier that it doesn't make sense. At least he did not vote "yes."
Everybody voted "yes," except for Gellin, who abstained, and explained his abstention this way:
"Let me just say that this is a conditional yes, and I’ll explain that, but “conditional yes” wasn’t an option. This was a case study of perseverance by the company, and there’s nothing easy about vaccines, and the vaccine race that’s inspired by COVID that was supported by Warp Speed (and I had nothing to do with that) has brought us the vaccines that we have, and which have had an impact, and that’s impressive. [global equity, etc.] The data we’ve heard today has been impressive, and support the original vision for this vaccine from the beginning [stuff about ease of storage and transport and the magical adjuvant]. Highlighting Dr. Offit’s intervention, that we need to understand the mechanism here, because this infection, and the vaccines against it, are going to be with us for the foreseeable future. [based on totality] We can clearly say that it was [effective], but we don’t know whether that attribute continues to be relevant today. Dr. Levy [cross-protecting immunity] are encouraging, but [don’t know what’s going to happen in the future]. In the flu world, we’re always [troubled] by mis-match. […] A lot of things have been learned, that we haven’t heard about.
"I want to be clear that I’m not going against the vaccine. As this is a real product that, if authorized, will be used, it will be important to evaluate whatever data is available [that shows its performance]. Recognizing that we’re an advisory committee, and we’re advising FDA, and having heard from Dr. Marks that FDA will continue to work with the company on manufacturing issues […] it’s my expectation that FDA will review the totality of data that will be available to them, to inform their [decision on EUA]."
I don't know that Offit is on Team Apocalypse the way, say, Fauci is. I do think he will never oppose a vaccine; he is true believer in the concept, and of course it's also how he earns his living. He also knows that it doesn't matter what the committee says or votes or thinks anymore, at least about corona. I think he is beginning to recognize that the mRNA products are dangerous in ways he hadn't considered in Dec. 2020, which is why he has made the comments publicly that he has (like telling the press that he told his own son not to get a third shot).
People have different motivations for doing things that end up harming other people, and I think Offit's motivations are very different from those of Marks and those of Fauci.
I'm grateful to have that long convoluted quote from Gellin all typed up. I tried to follow it at the time and it didn't make sense to me. Seeing it now in black and white, he's really saying a lot between the lines. But the message between the lines points towards NO, not yes. So these people are nuts.
I think Offit is completely insane. He's Nero painting pictures while Rome burns. He's always Lucy with the football -- saying something reasonable and then pulling the football away at the last moment to vote Yes. I think his kink is that he gets off on dashing the hopes of sane people. Offit knows he's going down in history as worse than the bloodletters and he absolutely does not care. He seems to delight in his ignominy.
I think Meissner is an even worse Lucy, but I hear you. What they say during the meeting has nothing to do with how they vote.
And I think Gellin was reading a statement he had prepared. It came off that way, which makes it all the nuttier that it doesn't make sense. At least he did not vote "yes."
All scripted. theater buffoons.