Thank you for the summary. I watched the last one, but could not bare to watch this one after having heard that the doses had already been made available. I felt like I new the outcome, already.
Same feeling here. Health Centers in my area are already advertising their availability in November for 5-11 - I had doubts about the validity of these meetings to begin with but that was writing on the wall for me.
If government is there to represent us, because we, the people pay them; and we said NO on vaccination, the decision on the hearing is a fraud, it s not valid, we were not heard.
I watched all of it. So that's how the sausage is made. With one shepherd and the rest of the sheeple voting yes with one abstention. To top if off, two of the panelists stated the only way to really know the risks is to give the children the shots. Criminal beyond belief.
“When we take power we will dismantle the FDA and CDC brick by brick and put the entire leadership on trial for crimes against humanity.” I will happily contribute nails, lumber and rope for the you know what.
Shame on each and every one of you. Not one of you had a spine or a conscience. The lives of the children physically harmed by this EUA is on each of your hands. May you not be able to sleep knowing that not one of you would take a stand for them.
I'm disappointed in each of you (not that you care about anyone other than yourselves, obviously)
One female commenter, not sure of her name or qualifications, argued that most of the emails and messages from the public should be ignored because they were "form" responses. All identical emails or phone messages should only be counted as one comment, she said. I thought that was quite petty and petulant, and that is exactly how she sounded. Next time I will try to personalize it a bit more, but I didn't even know about this until late on the 25th.
That's helpful info. Personalization is always good. The FDA only publishes the roster and meeting materials two days before the meeting so it's a rush to respond at all.
Here in germany its also getting tougher and tougher for people unvaccinated... me and my husband just had corona, but we are only "free" for 5 months instead of 6! Don't know why... our children 14 and 16 had no corona and are not vaccinated. We do not know, what to do or where to go to see them grow up free and proud, but we will find a way and we will fight!
Let's see how long my people stay still, our history says they will crawl and turn away from discrimination of unvaccinated people! My dad is 80 and unvaccinated and absolutely healthy!
I scanned the Pfizer briefing document for the FDA and couldn't find anything describing how they defined "placebo." I'm wondering if they used an inert placebo, another vaccine or the excipients from the vaccine being studied. How do I find that information??
I understant ICAN did make sure there were inert placebos used in the original studies but I wouldn't be so confident that they did so with these. We'll see next week. Is there a way to read the data?? Anyone know the link??
I am pleased to discover you. I am all in for this. I watched the meeting all day yesterday, following Meryl Nass's live blog on CHD and taking screen shots of the slides for my writing. I am now writing about psychological manipulation techniques so evident in the meeting. I was hoping 2 might vote no. based on their questions - but peer pressure and groupthink rule. They should be ashamed of themselves. I think ultimately their vote will expose their motives and provoke a response. Portnoy said he got 4000 emails form people to vote no, so of course he voted yes and said some imaginary parents would be pleased, at least until their children are injured.
Thank you for asking. It is Dec 5 and I jt saw your message. I write on CoronaWise on Substack, and grateful to Medium for censoring me, and happy to be on Substack. I intend to be more productive, a I continue to recover for toxic mold exposure. I also hope to evolve into writing shorter pieces more frequently.
Agree with your comments, Toby. I saw the risk benefit analysis on slides first, before actually watching the presentation. I thought it was unfavorable to the approval. Particularly, scenario 3... Which is actually closer to "baseline" essentially calculated more harm then benefit, with significantly higher risk for males. I was also disappointed they did not consider natural immunity, that may account for 8 of the 25 million kids. The commentary by some was embarrassing? While some, like Meissner we're critical and elegant, others were simply placeholder votes, and could not offer anything critical. Knowing the composition of the ACIP, I doubt it will be any better.
What a shame... I read that most of those in the commettee were former employees of the pharmaceutical companies, so the conflict of interests is obvious.
Alas, no article. Steve was live-blogging during the meeting. The FDA and CDC should release all public comments (de-identified) so that scholars and the general public can evaluate the data for ourselves.
Apologies, I think it was the chat associated with the CHD livestream (in which case no transcript). His Twitter or Substack might have some commentary as well.
Thank you for the summary. I watched the last one, but could not bare to watch this one after having heard that the doses had already been made available. I felt like I new the outcome, already.
Same feeling here. Health Centers in my area are already advertising their availability in November for 5-11 - I had doubts about the validity of these meetings to begin with but that was writing on the wall for me.
It was illegal. They did not go through the channels. Biden's administration bought the vaccines prior to the approval to use it.
You are right...
Thank you…fighting depression whenever I think of these little kids being forced to take the vaccine.
Thanks for reporting on what I couldn’t stomach watching. I pray for you every day.
God bless you, sir. I am devastated by this action, but encouraged by your words. Thank you
If government is there to represent us, because we, the people pay them; and we said NO on vaccination, the decision on the hearing is a fraud, it s not valid, we were not heard.
I watched all of it. So that's how the sausage is made. With one shepherd and the rest of the sheeple voting yes with one abstention. To top if off, two of the panelists stated the only way to really know the risks is to give the children the shots. Criminal beyond belief.
Yes, it's really quite shocking to see if for oneself. Heartbreaking and criminal.
“When we take power we will dismantle the FDA and CDC brick by brick and put the entire leadership on trial for crimes against humanity.” I will happily contribute nails, lumber and rope for the you know what.
I emailed them all again:
Shame on each and every one of you. Not one of you had a spine or a conscience. The lives of the children physically harmed by this EUA is on each of your hands. May you not be able to sleep knowing that not one of you would take a stand for them.
I'm disappointed in each of you (not that you care about anyone other than yourselves, obviously)
Julie Rocco
That's a conscientious citizen! Good for you, Julie...my respects!
One female commenter, not sure of her name or qualifications, argued that most of the emails and messages from the public should be ignored because they were "form" responses. All identical emails or phone messages should only be counted as one comment, she said. I thought that was quite petty and petulant, and that is exactly how she sounded. Next time I will try to personalize it a bit more, but I didn't even know about this until late on the 25th.
That's helpful info. Personalization is always good. The FDA only publishes the roster and meeting materials two days before the meeting so it's a rush to respond at all.
Here in germany its also getting tougher and tougher for people unvaccinated... me and my husband just had corona, but we are only "free" for 5 months instead of 6! Don't know why... our children 14 and 16 had no corona and are not vaccinated. We do not know, what to do or where to go to see them grow up free and proud, but we will find a way and we will fight!
Let's see how long my people stay still, our history says they will crawl and turn away from discrimination of unvaccinated people! My dad is 80 and unvaccinated and absolutely healthy!
God bless us all!
I scanned the Pfizer briefing document for the FDA and couldn't find anything describing how they defined "placebo." I'm wondering if they used an inert placebo, another vaccine or the excipients from the vaccine being studied. How do I find that information??
I had the same question and I do not know the answer.
In the US it was likely an inert placebo thanks to Informed Consent Action Network. However, who knows what they used in other countries.
I understant ICAN did make sure there were inert placebos used in the original studies but I wouldn't be so confident that they did so with these. We'll see next week. Is there a way to read the data?? Anyone know the link??
I am pleased to discover you. I am all in for this. I watched the meeting all day yesterday, following Meryl Nass's live blog on CHD and taking screen shots of the slides for my writing. I am now writing about psychological manipulation techniques so evident in the meeting. I was hoping 2 might vote no. based on their questions - but peer pressure and groupthink rule. They should be ashamed of themselves. I think ultimately their vote will expose their motives and provoke a response. Portnoy said he got 4000 emails form people to vote no, so of course he voted yes and said some imaginary parents would be pleased, at least until their children are injured.
Where can we read your work???
Thank you for asking. It is Dec 5 and I jt saw your message. I write on CoronaWise on Substack, and grateful to Medium for censoring me, and happy to be on Substack. I intend to be more productive, a I continue to recover for toxic mold exposure. I also hope to evolve into writing shorter pieces more frequently.
Agree with your comments, Toby. I saw the risk benefit analysis on slides first, before actually watching the presentation. I thought it was unfavorable to the approval. Particularly, scenario 3... Which is actually closer to "baseline" essentially calculated more harm then benefit, with significantly higher risk for males. I was also disappointed they did not consider natural immunity, that may account for 8 of the 25 million kids. The commentary by some was embarrassing? While some, like Meissner we're critical and elegant, others were simply placeholder votes, and could not offer anything critical. Knowing the composition of the ACIP, I doubt it will be any better.
What a shame... I read that most of those in the commettee were former employees of the pharmaceutical companies, so the conflict of interests is obvious.
Thanks for the summary. For Steve Kirsch's claim that 99.999% were opposed to the EUA, could you please post the article? i couldn't find it. Thanks.
Alas, no article. Steve was live-blogging during the meeting. The FDA and CDC should release all public comments (de-identified) so that scholars and the general public can evaluate the data for ourselves.
ahhh, i hear you. any idea if the live vlog was recorded and posted?
Apologies, I think it was the chat associated with the CHD livestream (in which case no transcript). His Twitter or Substack might have some commentary as well.
no trouble. thanks again for all your work!
"The majority of the committee said that they did not want mandates. " Bullshit - as soon as it is "approved", it is mandated. Fuck those people.