And the notion, put forth by both Democratic and Republicans appointees to the court, that FDA approval means anything, is completely preposterous. All reasonable people should realize that the FDA is captured by Pharma.
Prelogar at one point, in response to a question from one of the justices explained that the vaccine mandate was necessary to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated and I felt like the universe was about to implode from total stupidity. And then the justice tried to help her and she argued that the mandate was actually to protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated or from themselves and not one of those explanations ever made any sense.
This was not just a difference of opinion today. The Democratic appointees live in a completely different fact-free universe -- a dystopian fantasy metaverse created by Pharma.
The discussion before the U.S. Supreme Court on this question was significantly less robust than if the same question were the subject of a high school debate competition because there are just so many things that one is not allowed to discuss before the 9 Justices because industry capture of our whole society is so extensive.
My jaw was on the floor listening to them spew complete lies. I’m appalled that they were able to get away with their so called “facts”. What an embarrassment. And these are educated legal scholars….I’m speechless.
I don’t like to repeat what I’ve said elsewhere, but the disappointment in these justices is quite surprising. Judges and justices on "Supreme" courts are no smarter than the average judge or average Joe, for that matter. Yes, they may have supposedly written some "brilliant" opinion at some point (or had their clerks do the work and then polished it up). Their real skill is in being politically connected. Justices are nominated to the bench by the party in power to further an agenda. Thus, hoping they will come riding to the rescue is a fool's game. It’s amazing how many pillars of society this C-19 is toppling.
What made the entire court session so absurd was that the facts of covid are irrelevant. If OSHA wanted to inject workers with vitamin D and every single 'authority' in the country agreed that it would prevent illness and improve health, still OSHA doesn't have the authority. The details of covid are moot. The left wing justices were just fishing for little farcical factoids to build into emotional appeals that help them yet again explain why the constitution doesn't matter and the latest expansion of federal power should be granted. Its hard for their clerks to come up with good shtick all by themselves so they have these little oral arguments to harvest a few zingers before the staff get to work writing the essays.....err.... opinions.
In short, if the commerce clause grants unelected bureaucrats open access to your body, you are literally property, just as Sotomayor remarked-- no different from a machine spewing noxious fumes. Like CO2...?
I appreciate the update, since I didn't have the stomach to listen to the play-by-play. The fact is, there is absolutely no case to be made for mandatory vaccination, a point so obvious that it should not have to be vocalized.
We all know that if Sonia Sotomayor was born Mary Perkins in Oshkosh, Wisconsin she would be managing an Applebee's, not listening to attorneys argue in the Supreme Court.
My faith in American institutions has almost evaporated. We are led by people who have a seething contempt for half the country. The hateful language towards the unvaccinated has escalated to the point that I question the sanity of anyone who has not taken full advantage of their Second Amendment rights.
To mangle Dickens' Tiny Tim a bit, "God help us all, every one."
This article is spot on. The fact these justices were spouting talking points that had no scientific backing without the effort to discover what was true from not true is sickening. A kangaroo court embarrassment
My wife told me to stop screaming because she couldn’t hear.
There needs to be penalties for people in positions of power being so ignorant. I should not be more knowledgeable than Supreme Court justices on issues facing them.
I thought that our side was going to pull out syringes to start injecting people with their love affair with these vaccines which are therapeutics.
Also how do you not argue that this may be shot 3 for people but anyone who thinks people will be ok with shot 5 or 6 without total economic collapse was legal negligence.
There's no way I could have watched it and maintained my calm, despite years of yoga and meditation. I have to work very hard to maintain a posture of forgiveness towards much of the abject stupidity that is driving sheer evil in the West right now. Thanks for gritting your teeth through the hearing and sharing your perspective. I don't have high hopes for their decision and I wonder what's next.
You are absolutely correct that human rights, specifically the right to refuse any medical treatment or other body alteration, is the paramount issue here. But it was not discussed today. The OSHA ETS violates the Bill of Rights and federal informed consent law and some would argue Title 21 also.
Even if the vaccines were effective (but they are definitely not), and even if they were safe (but they are most certainly not), and even if all of the Supreme Court justices had licenses to practice medicine (which they don't), and even if the current variant Omicron were deadly (but it isn't), none of these would rise to the urgency of protecting basic civil liberties from tyrannical power grabs.
I was appalled at how ignorant the justices seemed of the current knowledge of covid early treatment, vaccine dangers, and the amount of people that are leaving jobs over this issue. It's a hell of a lot more than 1% in my opinion. I spoke to 10 workers at Uhaul and was amazed at how up on the key issues they were, with a dozen vax injury and suspected injury stories among them. Four said they would walk from the job rather than get vaxxed or even submit to weekly testing at their expense. 2 would test. The others would vax if coerced, but just to keep their jobs -hoping they'd "be ok".
I saw the artists pic of the day with a number of triple “vaxxed” justices wearing masks in a room in which all present were tested and likely triple “vaxxed” as well…what more needs to be said. The spell has worked and will take years of intense psychotherapy to undo…
This is excellent. I listened live for half an hour to what was truly a sad affair. I would like to add one thought. This decision will have worldwide implications, it may be more important than any other decision on vaccines in history. We are staring down the barrel of the gun of bioengineering, gene editing,AI,quantum computing. If we give government the power to dictate what goes into our bodies at this point in history all true liberty is lost.
The precedent will be set, the regrets will be many.
And the notion, put forth by both Democratic and Republicans appointees to the court, that FDA approval means anything, is completely preposterous. All reasonable people should realize that the FDA is captured by Pharma.
Prelogar at one point, in response to a question from one of the justices explained that the vaccine mandate was necessary to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated and I felt like the universe was about to implode from total stupidity. And then the justice tried to help her and she argued that the mandate was actually to protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated or from themselves and not one of those explanations ever made any sense.
This was not just a difference of opinion today. The Democratic appointees live in a completely different fact-free universe -- a dystopian fantasy metaverse created by Pharma.
The discussion before the U.S. Supreme Court on this question was significantly less robust than if the same question were the subject of a high school debate competition because there are just so many things that one is not allowed to discuss before the 9 Justices because industry capture of our whole society is so extensive.
My jaw was on the floor listening to them spew complete lies. I’m appalled that they were able to get away with their so called “facts”. What an embarrassment. And these are educated legal scholars….I’m speechless.
I don’t like to repeat what I’ve said elsewhere, but the disappointment in these justices is quite surprising. Judges and justices on "Supreme" courts are no smarter than the average judge or average Joe, for that matter. Yes, they may have supposedly written some "brilliant" opinion at some point (or had their clerks do the work and then polished it up). Their real skill is in being politically connected. Justices are nominated to the bench by the party in power to further an agenda. Thus, hoping they will come riding to the rescue is a fool's game. It’s amazing how many pillars of society this C-19 is toppling.
What made the entire court session so absurd was that the facts of covid are irrelevant. If OSHA wanted to inject workers with vitamin D and every single 'authority' in the country agreed that it would prevent illness and improve health, still OSHA doesn't have the authority. The details of covid are moot. The left wing justices were just fishing for little farcical factoids to build into emotional appeals that help them yet again explain why the constitution doesn't matter and the latest expansion of federal power should be granted. Its hard for their clerks to come up with good shtick all by themselves so they have these little oral arguments to harvest a few zingers before the staff get to work writing the essays.....err.... opinions.
In short, if the commerce clause grants unelected bureaucrats open access to your body, you are literally property, just as Sotomayor remarked-- no different from a machine spewing noxious fumes. Like CO2...?
I appreciate the update, since I didn't have the stomach to listen to the play-by-play. The fact is, there is absolutely no case to be made for mandatory vaccination, a point so obvious that it should not have to be vocalized.
We all know that if Sonia Sotomayor was born Mary Perkins in Oshkosh, Wisconsin she would be managing an Applebee's, not listening to attorneys argue in the Supreme Court.
My faith in American institutions has almost evaporated. We are led by people who have a seething contempt for half the country. The hateful language towards the unvaccinated has escalated to the point that I question the sanity of anyone who has not taken full advantage of their Second Amendment rights.
To mangle Dickens' Tiny Tim a bit, "God help us all, every one."
This article is spot on. The fact these justices were spouting talking points that had no scientific backing without the effort to discover what was true from not true is sickening. A kangaroo court embarrassment
My wife told me to stop screaming because she couldn’t hear.
There needs to be penalties for people in positions of power being so ignorant. I should not be more knowledgeable than Supreme Court justices on issues facing them.
I thought that our side was going to pull out syringes to start injecting people with their love affair with these vaccines which are therapeutics.
Also how do you not argue that this may be shot 3 for people but anyone who thinks people will be ok with shot 5 or 6 without total economic collapse was legal negligence.
There's no way I could have watched it and maintained my calm, despite years of yoga and meditation. I have to work very hard to maintain a posture of forgiveness towards much of the abject stupidity that is driving sheer evil in the West right now. Thanks for gritting your teeth through the hearing and sharing your perspective. I don't have high hopes for their decision and I wonder what's next.
You are absolutely correct that human rights, specifically the right to refuse any medical treatment or other body alteration, is the paramount issue here. But it was not discussed today. The OSHA ETS violates the Bill of Rights and federal informed consent law and some would argue Title 21 also.
Even if the vaccines were effective (but they are definitely not), and even if they were safe (but they are most certainly not), and even if all of the Supreme Court justices had licenses to practice medicine (which they don't), and even if the current variant Omicron were deadly (but it isn't), none of these would rise to the urgency of protecting basic civil liberties from tyrannical power grabs.
I was appalled at how ignorant the justices seemed of the current knowledge of covid early treatment, vaccine dangers, and the amount of people that are leaving jobs over this issue. It's a hell of a lot more than 1% in my opinion. I spoke to 10 workers at Uhaul and was amazed at how up on the key issues they were, with a dozen vax injury and suspected injury stories among them. Four said they would walk from the job rather than get vaxxed or even submit to weekly testing at their expense. 2 would test. The others would vax if coerced, but just to keep their jobs -hoping they'd "be ok".
Did Robert F Kennedy Jr and Aaron Siri brief them prior to these oral arguements?
I was horrified by what I heard. My own children know more about polio vaccines and covid vaccines than those men and women do.
I saw the artists pic of the day with a number of triple “vaxxed” justices wearing masks in a room in which all present were tested and likely triple “vaxxed” as well…what more needs to be said. The spell has worked and will take years of intense psychotherapy to undo…
This is excellent. I listened live for half an hour to what was truly a sad affair. I would like to add one thought. This decision will have worldwide implications, it may be more important than any other decision on vaccines in history. We are staring down the barrel of the gun of bioengineering, gene editing,AI,quantum computing. If we give government the power to dictate what goes into our bodies at this point in history all true liberty is lost.
The precedent will be set, the regrets will be many.