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freelearner's avatar

I'm a biostatistician... the Hooker and Miller study made my jaw drop. You just don't see odds ratios that big, you just don't. You're absolutely right it should be front page news everywhere.

There's long been a rule that in every health study you control for smoking status pretty much no matter what, whether there is any particular reason to think it's a risk factor or not. It has "always a risk factor" status. Apparently vaccines have "never a risk factor" status and can never be included, just like smoking can never be excluded.

I see that parents not vaccinating and babies being breastfed are quite confounded with each other, which tracks with my personal experience in the homeschooling community. I wonder how much length of breastfeeding matters, as we non-vaxxers also tended to do extended nursing (often till age 2-3). Also, very often home-birthers.

Sadly, in a homeschooling group with I'd say about half non-vaxxing and half vaxxing families, toddlers who had been to recent vaccine well visits typically seemed dissociated, staring, fussy, and less social, though they often recovered and became the kids I remembered from previous get-togethers. I never saw that in unvaxxed kids. An unvaxxed kid will look you in the eye like they're figuring out the entire universe right there in your pupils. I found this difference seriously disturbing for years. I'm convinced that a blinded study where developmental psychologists observed half recently vaxxed & half totally unvaxxed kids would show that they could identify which were showing concerning signs with good accuracy.

Most moms never experience that kind of unvax/vax split in their mom's group, pre-school, etc... they don't get to observe it, and even if they notice something, they don't get to talk about it. In a century people will look back on this time, shocked and searching to explain our blindness, the way we now look back on mercury teething powders or mercurochrome.

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Toby Rogers's avatar

Super interesting tidbit in a NY Times hit piece on the MAHA report today:

"The report diverges drastically from standard government thinking about chronic disease prevention. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention declares that 'most chronic diseases are caused by a short list of risk factors: tobacco use, poor nutrition, physical inactivity and excessive alcohol use.'"

(This appears in the print edition but it is not on the NY Times website for some reason.)

Anyway, my point is, the large toxicological studies presumably control for these four factors — "tobacco use, poor nutrition, physical inactivity and excessive alcohol use" — because that's "standard practice." But that's an example of the circular reasoning I discuss in this article. They've decided that these four factors are the only likely confounders so that's what they control for and thus it's all that they ever find.

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